What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?

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Felicia Cweren Lewin
5 years 5 months ago #29624 by Felicia Cweren Lewin
What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit? Had a young guy fill out an app today with his sister and aunt by his side. He tells me the pay stubs will be emailed today which they were. I look Up the employer to send an employment verification and learn that he works for his aunt and the business is out of a house. They take care of people in a home setting. He is listed as an independent contractor. The employment verification is filled out and emailed back to me at 730 pm tonight. I am worried that I can’t verify employment with anyone but the aunt and an email account. Any helpful suggestions here?
5 years 5 months ago #29624 by Felicia Cweren Lewin
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Billy Aamodt
5 years 5 months ago #29625 by Billy Aamodt
Statements verifying 90 days of deposits from this "job"?
5 years 5 months ago #29625 by Billy Aamodt
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Heather Everett King
5 years 5 months ago #29626 by Heather Everett King
Replied by Heather Everett King on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
Unless you go out of the way for everyone don’t go crazy about this one. That is a very common source of income.
5 years 5 months ago #29626 by Heather Everett King
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Frances Alcoba-Clark
5 years 5 months ago #29627 by Frances Alcoba-Clark
Replied by Frances Alcoba-Clark on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
If he is an independent contractor then he should provide copies of his last 2 years taxes.
5 years 5 months ago #29627 by Frances Alcoba-Clark
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Pj Bezpalko
5 years 5 months ago #29628 by Pj Bezpalko
2018 taxes
5 years 5 months ago #29628 by Pj Bezpalko
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Jessica Gonzalez
5 years 5 months ago #29629 by Jessica Gonzalez
Higher deposit and a risk fee.
This would be a good time to cover any 1099’s income that can be a requirement for leasing at your community.
It would not hurt to ask for a co-signer either
But for now last 3 years tax returns
Previous rental history as well
5 years 5 months ago #29629 by Jessica Gonzalez
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Billie Lewallen
5 years 5 months ago #29630 by Billie Lewallen
I employ home care givers in my household for my special needs son. They are taxed and paid through my payroll company with state funds. But for my employer everyone one is verified by a employer verification or 6 month of bank deposits.
5 years 5 months ago #29630 by Billie Lewallen
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Rachel Lynette Payton
5 years 5 months ago #29631 by Rachel Lynette Payton
Replied by Rachel Lynette Payton on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
Call the employer
5 years 5 months ago #29631 by Rachel Lynette Payton
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Nikki Carbine
5 years 5 months ago #29632 by Nikki Carbine
W-2’s and tax returns. Go extra mile and get 3 months bank statements to if u want!
5 years 5 months ago #29632 by Nikki Carbine
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Rachel Hammond
5 years 5 months ago #29633 by Rachel Hammond
Tax return and 6 months of bank statements.
5 years 5 months ago #29633 by Rachel Hammond
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Kacie Loar
5 years 5 months ago #29634 by Kacie Loar
Bank statements
5 years 5 months ago #29634 by Kacie Loar
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Lisa Gallinar
5 years 5 months ago #29635 by Lisa Gallinar
Tax docs, business license,
5 years 5 months ago #29635 by Lisa Gallinar
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Kari Halsch
5 years 5 months ago #29636 by Kari Halsch
Agreed bank statements
5 years 5 months ago #29636 by Kari Halsch
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Cylvia Houser
5 years 5 months ago #29637 by Cylvia Houser
Make sure you follow fair housing procedures also if it’s subsidized property go by your tenant selection plan, you can’t always go by your gut, we still must follow the rules no matter how shady they seem, just my opinion.
5 years 5 months ago #29637 by Cylvia Houser
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Brad Wuerer
5 years 5 months ago #29638 by Brad Wuerer
Here is the intersting part the correlation between credit score and timely rent payment is pretty solid. If you run the credit through a third party you get an accepted conditional or denial. Use there pay that is stated on the application unless they come back conditional then verify income.
5 years 5 months ago #29638 by Brad Wuerer
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Jill Buckley
5 years 5 months ago #29639 by Jill Buckley
W2's & tax return for 2018
5 years 5 months ago #29639 by Jill Buckley
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Tyrese Mojica
5 years 5 months ago #29640 by Tyrese Mojica
Here’s the thing-a lot of people run businesses from their homes as it is a tax write off. If you don’t put this much energy into other applicants-you shouldn’t with him either. Fair housing is a very nasty thing to mess with.
5 years 5 months ago #29640 by Tyrese Mojica
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Anonymous
5 years 5 months ago #29641 by Anonymous
5 years 5 months ago #29641 by Anonymous
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Lena Ramo
5 years 5 months ago #29642 by Lena Ramo
A copy of last year’s tax return.
5 years 5 months ago #29642 by Lena Ramo
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Nikki Kritner
5 years 5 months ago #29643 by Nikki Kritner
If he’s independent then he’ll be a 1099 and will have a statement of income for tax purposes from the aunt if it’s a legit business.
5 years 5 months ago #29643 by Nikki Kritner
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Valerie Cosse' Lacy
5 years 5 months ago #29644 by Valerie Cosse' Lacy
Replied by Valerie Cosse' Lacy on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
In my experience the last few years..... fraudulent bank statements and tax returns can be created too. Good luck! Home heath care providers that work for family are usually fraudulent in my experience.
It’s so frustrating.
Have you seen the actual drivers license or social security card?
5 years 5 months ago #29644 by Valerie Cosse' Lacy
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Chris Finetto
5 years 5 months ago #29645 by Chris Finetto
Too late with this fellow. But I have changed my application that self-employed, family businesses, independent contractors are to provide 3 months of bank statements. I've had Uber Drivers, Personal Trainers, Landscapers and decided I needed to make an adjustment.
With that said, the comments regarding the correlation between credit scores and timely payments is spot on. A high score shows willingness and ability to maintain obligations.
5 years 5 months ago #29645 by Chris Finetto
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Damon McCall
5 years 5 months ago #29646 by Damon McCall
Hey Felicia, we always ask for bank statements to back up stated income, but beware that many people fabricate the statements so a good rule is to have them bring the physical copies of the originally mailed bank statement to the office. You can tell the difference between an actual statement and one someone printed pretty easily. Good luck!!
5 years 5 months ago #29646 by Damon McCall
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Mary Beth Taylor
5 years 5 months ago #29647 by Mary Beth Taylor
Copy of last 2 years tax returns or last two 1099’s. Here are some tips that I use when we run into this.
1. Is the business listed on the Secretary of State website as a legit business? If not, they are paying under the table.
2. If you question pay stubs, Make sure the decimals line up on the dollar amounts. Pretty much all the time, fake stubs have decimals all over the place and don’t line up.
3. Check addresses on all stubs to make sure they match the application . I have caught different zip codes, misspelled street names, etc.
4. Do some quick math on YTD. A lot of fake stubs mess up somewhere.
5. Pay attention to if they are “salary or hourly.” If something look off on hours, then it won’t add up.
6. He has listed “Independent contractor.” If he turns in stubs where taxes are being taken then something is off. IC’s get 1099’s and taxes are not taken.
7. Fake bank statements will be turned in as well in some cases. If you question them, check for spelling. I’ve had someone turn in 3 months worth of statements but the bank name was spelled wrong and all she had was deposits into the account. No debits. You can also take the statements to the bank to verify if they are from their company.
5 years 5 months ago #29647 by Mary Beth Taylor
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Debbie Roberts
5 years 5 months ago #29648 by Debbie Roberts
Ask for his W2
5 years 5 months ago #29648 by Debbie Roberts
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Vickie Woodard
5 years 5 months ago #29649 by Vickie Woodard
6 months of bank statements and 2018 tax return
5 years 5 months ago #29649 by Vickie Woodard
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Vickie Woodard
5 years 5 months ago #29650 by Vickie Woodard
On the bank statements, we suggest that they log into their account in our business center and print off the statements. If needed, we follow up with a bank verification that we receive directly from the bank.
5 years 5 months ago #29650 by Vickie Woodard
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Felicia Cweren Lewin
5 years 5 months ago #29651 by Felicia Cweren Lewin
Replied by Felicia Cweren Lewin on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
Thank you all. We will ask for bank statements which we have done before with other applicants
5 years 5 months ago #29651 by Felicia Cweren Lewin
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Terrie Bass Meares
5 years 5 months ago #29652 by Terrie Bass Meares
Income tax return
5 years 5 months ago #29652 by Terrie Bass Meares
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Angie Russell
5 years 5 months ago #29653 by Angie Russell
In Florida we would look up the business on Sunbiz.org to make sure the business is legit.
5 years 5 months ago #29653 by Angie Russell
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Marilyn Thompson
5 years 5 months ago #29654 by Marilyn Thompson
If his not paying taxes we don't consider it.
5 years 5 months ago #29654 by Marilyn Thompson
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Valerie Vincent
5 years 5 months ago #29655 by Valerie Vincent
Independent contractors pay taxes differently. Last years tax returns and bank statements will help.
5 years 5 months ago #29655 by Valerie Vincent
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Joshua Andrews McMurtry
5 years 5 months ago #29656 by Joshua Andrews McMurtry
Replied by Joshua Andrews McMurtry on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
Ask for bank statements and see if he has income coming in. If not I'd ask for a cosigner or increase deposit.
5 years 5 months ago #29656 by Joshua Andrews McMurtry
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Josué Adam
5 years 5 months ago #29657 by Josué Adam
Make sure with fair housing you don't do any different verification from you would another applicant. As long as we had a paper trail and the documents were legit, let it go. Even with a 100% clean non contractor background approval, they could still not afford rent, skip, etc. Just follow the same you would for any other applicant.
5 years 5 months ago #29657 by Josué Adam
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Michelle D. Sykes
5 years 5 months ago #29658 by Michelle D. Sykes
Bank stamnt showing money being deposited to match pay stub maybe. I’m self employed and the loan company needed to match. Y stubs with my deposits for the last 3 months.
5 years 5 months ago #29658 by Michelle D. Sykes
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Felicia Cweren Lewin
5 years 5 months ago #29659 by Felicia Cweren Lewin
Replied by Felicia Cweren Lewin on topic What other ideas do you suggest to verify pay stubs are legit?
Update; he says he does not have a bank account as he cashes the checks at PLS. He also says he does not have tax returns as he does not file. I think we will have to deny this one as I can verify anything. No rental history etc. The pay stubs with no taxes taken out might be falsified as I thought
5 years 5 months ago #29659 by Felicia Cweren Lewin