Re: I need this smart group's input on a BIG debate.  Are Property Managers considered mandated reporters?

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1 year 5 months ago #640870 by Angel Rogers
Hey!
I need this smart group's input on a BIG debate.
Are Property Managers considered mandated reporters?
I say yes....what say you?
No arguing please, just weigh in if you have a thought on this
1 year 5 months ago #640870 by Angel Rogers
Amy Sexton Horsley
1 year 5 months ago #640871 by Amy Sexton Horsley
Yes. Maybe not by law but by ethics.
1 year 5 months ago #640871 by Amy Sexton Horsley
Charlotte Garris Wilson
1 year 5 months ago #640872 by Charlotte Garris Wilson
Amy Sexton Horsley ethics and employment perimeters are not one in the same. As PM's we are required to protect the asset, NOT the people. That being said, if reporting is anonymous why are we even asking the question. Right is right and wrong is wrong, which should have nothing to do with our jobs. If I am reporting you, I'm not telling anyone I did it. as well as make sure to remind the people I'm reporting to that it is anonymous.
1 year 5 months ago #640872 by Charlotte Garris Wilson
Amy Sexton Horsley
1 year 5 months ago #640873 by Amy Sexton Horsley
1 year 5 months ago #640873 by Amy Sexton Horsley
Charlotte Garris Wilson
1 year 5 months ago #640874 by Charlotte Garris Wilson
Amy Sexton Horsley wow what? Our hands are tied SO MUCH. With all we do, you're surprised at this answer?
1 year 5 months ago #640874 by Charlotte Garris Wilson
Lauren Lampe
1 year 5 months ago #640875 by Lauren Lampe
1 year 5 months ago #640875 by Lauren Lampe
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1 year 5 months ago #640876 by Miles Scruggs
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1 year 5 months ago #640877 by Miles Scruggs
Charlotte Garris Wilson actually there are laws in many jurisdictions that require you to provide some protection to people. Obviously outside the scope of this discussion but that was a bit overly broad statement to say we don’t have any obligation for the care of tenants.
1 year 5 months ago #640877 by Miles Scruggs
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1 year 5 months ago #640878 by Angel Rogers
Charlotte Garris Wilson interesting perspective. Thanks!
1 year 5 months ago #640878 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640879 by Jennifer Coco
I agree with Charlotte to a point. People are crazy and sometimes reporting can be dangerous for the reporter. I have called CPS and APS on residents before, but can't give my information. I have helped police investigations. I am absolutely going to put the asset into consideration, but people come first. I can't sit by and not speak up when I know someone is being hurt.
1 year 5 months ago #640879 by Jennifer Coco
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1 year 5 months ago #640880 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640881 by James Shannon
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1 year 5 months ago #640883 by Juan Carlos Suarez
I assume by Mandated reporting you mean a crime, abuse etc…If I am going to report something I better make damn sure I know ALL the facts…. And not just one sided perceived opinions… Reporting wrongly can destroy lives.
1 year 5 months ago #640883 by Juan Carlos Suarez
Alysha Lorraine
1 year 5 months ago #640884 by Alysha Lorraine
Juan Carlos Suarez being "unsure" and not reporting cam also destroy lives...
1 year 5 months ago #640884 by Alysha Lorraine
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1 year 5 months ago #640885 by Juan Carlos Suarez
Alysha Lorraine I guess it depends on what side of the gray area you want to fall on. I’ve seen too many wrongfully accused by those that jump to conclusions. All I ask that one be smart and not rash.
1 year 5 months ago #640885 by Juan Carlos Suarez
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1 year 5 months ago #640886 by Angel Rogers
1 year 5 months ago #640886 by Angel Rogers
Staci Ruis
1 year 5 months ago #640887 by Staci Ruis
Alysha Lorraine … reporting can destroy yours.
1 year 5 months ago #640887 by Staci Ruis
Staci Ruis
1 year 5 months ago #640888 by Staci Ruis
On an affordable housing property you could spend a large part of your time being a “mandated reporter”.
1 year 5 months ago #640888 by Staci Ruis
Angel Rogers
1 year 5 months ago #640889 by Angel Rogers
Juan Carlos Suarez very true. Thanks!
1 year 5 months ago #640889 by Angel Rogers
Carla Sandwell
1 year 5 months ago #640890 by Carla Sandwell
Juan Carlos Suarez it’s not up to us to judge or make the calls, it’s whoever it’s being reported to.
1 year 5 months ago #640890 by Carla Sandwell
Tyler Mazdra
1 year 5 months ago #640891 by Tyler Mazdra
No. Unless you have a certification that specifically says you are… no.
1 year 5 months ago #640891 by Tyler Mazdra
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1 year 5 months ago #640892 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640893 by Kathy Vance
Not likely legally mandated like teachers, doctors, etc.. BUT, not reporting raises two concerns for me. 1. Why would we not do the right thing, as noted by others, and speak up to protect an innocent person being harmed?2. Could there be any risk of liability if we have knowledge and do nothing?
1 year 5 months ago #640893 by Kathy Vance
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1 year 5 months ago #640894 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640895 by Heather Blume
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Hsirtal A. Garvin
1 year 5 months ago #640896 by Hsirtal A. Garvin
Legally NoEthically Yes, if like stated above you have ALL the facts.
1 year 5 months ago #640896 by Hsirtal A. Garvin
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1 year 5 months ago #640897 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640898 by Sarah Trefz Watson
In TN every citizen is a mandated reporter. So depends on your state law
1 year 5 months ago #640898 by Sarah Trefz Watson
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1 year 5 months ago #640899 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640900 by Rochelle Kirk
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1 year 5 months ago #640901 by Angel Rogers
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Jack Friggin Metzel
1 year 5 months ago #640902 by Jack Friggin Metzel
Mandated reporter means mandated by statute not by personal ethics, and results will vary from state to state.
1 year 5 months ago #640902 by Jack Friggin Metzel
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1 year 5 months ago #640903 by Angel Rogers
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Suzanne Fowler
1 year 5 months ago #640904 by Suzanne Fowler
1 year 5 months ago #640904 by Suzanne Fowler
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1 year 5 months ago #640905 by Angel Rogers
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Christine Allen
1 year 5 months ago #640906 by Christine Allen
Not mandated, but would definitely not turn my back. Last thing I want is a call in the middle of the night or anytime, that a child has been seriously hurt and I knew about it. You do it anonymous as some companies say not to call. No one has to know and better safe than sorry.
1 year 5 months ago #640906 by Christine Allen
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1 year 5 months ago #640907 by Angel Rogers
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Heather Hawpe
1 year 5 months ago #640908 by Heather Hawpe
No. I’m sure certain states may say otherwise. That said, I’ll snitch on everyone! Especially if I see a child mistreated, or domestic violence, etc. I’ll be the first to call. Not today satan!
1 year 5 months ago #640908 by Heather Hawpe
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1 year 5 months ago #640909 by Angel Rogers
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Chelsea Santiago
1 year 5 months ago #640910 by Chelsea Santiago
1 year 5 months ago #640910 by Chelsea Santiago
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1 year 5 months ago #640911 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640912 by Miles Scruggs
How is this a debate much less a BIG one? Mandatory reporter is a term defined by your local jurisdiction. They also clearly define what roles are, it isn’t up to the random whimsical opinions of some property managers. Unless you are going to arbitrarily and capriciously redefine an already well defined term then it isn’t up for debate at all. Now should you make a report when you have concern? Well that is a personal decision and a property manager is no different than a Walmart greeter in that respect.
1 year 5 months ago #640912 by Miles Scruggs
Ed Trevino
1 year 5 months ago #640913 by Ed Trevino
Miles Scruggs You’ve always got great feed back/responses
1 year 5 months ago #640913 by Ed Trevino
Alysha Lorraine
1 year 5 months ago #640914 by Alysha Lorraine
Ed Trevino "random whimsical opinions of some property managers" on a property management page doesn't really strike as "great feedback."
1 year 5 months ago #640914 by Alysha Lorraine
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1 year 5 months ago #640915 by Miles Scruggs
Alysha Lorraine On something that already is really well defined by each state... How else would you describe it??That is like asking: "Hey what is your opinion on if you need to be licensed to conduct property management services." The opinions don't really matter, each state defines it really well, and if you think it is open for interpretation then a court will quickly correct you in a less than gentle manner.For manditory reporters it is even more simple each state has a list of roles that are mandatory reporters and you are either on the list or you aren't. I would be shocked to learn of a state that put property managers or real estate agents on the list, but I'm open to being surprised.
1 year 5 months ago #640915 by Miles Scruggs
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1 year 5 months ago #640916 by Miles Scruggs
Alysha Lorraine While I wouldn't be shocked, I would be a bit surprised if someone could even produce a single state who's list had a defined role in which even the most eager person who squinted really hard at it thought it applied to property managers.
1 year 5 months ago #640916 by Miles Scruggs
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1 year 5 months ago #640917 by Reba Shahan
Mandated by a state agency, likely not. By your conscience, probably, or the question wouldn't be posed?
1 year 5 months ago #640917 by Reba Shahan
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1 year 5 months ago #640918 by Angel Rogers
1 year 5 months ago #640918 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640919 by Angel Rogers
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Steph Kwek
1 year 5 months ago #640920 by Steph Kwek
In the state of Wyoming “all adults are mandated reporters” is what I was told by the police.
1 year 5 months ago #640920 by Steph Kwek
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1 year 5 months ago #640921 by Angel Rogers
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Steph Kwek
1 year 5 months ago #640922 by Steph Kwek
Angel Rogers yep. I was a little shocked but I honestly would anonymously report anyway so I can sleep at night. I usually recommend my complaining tenant make the call but if they don’t and I think it’s warranted, I wouldn’t hesitate
1 year 5 months ago #640922 by Steph Kwek
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1 year 5 months ago #640923 by Sylvia Walker
I think everyone should be mandated reporter if a child is in danger
1 year 5 months ago #640923 by Sylvia Walker
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1 year 5 months ago #640924 by Angel Rogers
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Debra Leazenby
1 year 5 months ago #640925 by Debra Leazenby
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1 year 5 months ago #640926 by Angel Rogers
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Casey N Aaron Enriquez
1 year 5 months ago #640927 by Casey N Aaron Enriquez
Not mandated however if I see something that puts another humans life at risk and I have facts to support it I am saying something. It goes back to ethics and who you are as a person. As PMs we are not legally held to a reporting standard. However, if we want the best for humans in this world then we need to say something. Our job is to run the asset and protect it. But I feel like reporting is protecting the asset, because we really don’t need or want the un reported issues on our properties.
1 year 5 months ago #640927 by Casey N Aaron Enriquez
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1 year 5 months ago #640928 by Angel Rogers
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Brenda Summers Borino
1 year 5 months ago #640929 by Brenda Summers Borino
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1 year 5 months ago #640930 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640931 by Angel Rogers
Miles Scruggs it is a big debate amongst some of our team members. We are affordable housing and also have a social services arm so roles can get muddy. This is certainly not a "random whimsical opinion of some property managers" and I am not arbitrarily or capriciously redefining anything. Just looking for opinions from peers..Appreciate the input.
1 year 5 months ago #640931 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640932 by Miles Scruggs
It isn't a matter of opinion. You either are a mandatory reporter or you aren't. if you don't know if you are then you aren't. If some of your team are social workers then they are likely defined as mandatory reporters. I just can't grasp what there is to debate, it isn't like the definitions are nuanced or arcane. Each state has a list, you are either on it or you aren't. Simply "providing some version of social services" isn't likely to get you on that list, but exactly what state is this in question and which role that is specifically on that list are people agonizing about if they identify with or not??
1 year 5 months ago #640932 by Miles Scruggs
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1 year 5 months ago #640933 by Miles Scruggs
Ok so you are in California. Here is your list: exactly which one of these roles/professions do you, or anyone on your team think applies to what they did, or the license they maintain? leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/.../codes ...
1 year 5 months ago #640933 by Miles Scruggs
Lisa Odle
1 year 5 months ago #640934 by Lisa Odle
1 year 5 months ago #640934 by Lisa Odle
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1 year 5 months ago #640935 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640936 by Heather Blume
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1 year 5 months ago #640937 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640938 by Heather Blume
Angel Rogers I meant more as a matter of morals and ethics. We see a place many don't and I think extra responsibility comes with that.
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1 year 5 months ago #640939 by Aleisha Parongao
I've asked my legal team in 3 different states I've worked in and the answer I got was; "Legally a pm is not a mandated reporter. However, there is also not a law in place that says that as a pm, you cannot report a crime or suspected crime as a concerned citizen. With that said, the best way to phrase a reporting is 'I believe xyz is happening and this is what I've seen/ heard/ witnessed' and if you're not comfortable giving your name for fear of repercussion from the resident or your company, don't". Personally, my ethics do not allow me to stand by and not report abuse or a crime. And only once, I left my name out - because of the company I worked for.
1 year 5 months ago #640939 by Aleisha Parongao
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1 year 5 months ago #640940 by Angel Rogers
Aleisha Parongao I sincerely appreciate your input. This is how I feel as well, but as affordable housing providers we have social services so it can get muddy. Thank you!
1 year 5 months ago #640940 by Angel Rogers
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1 year 5 months ago #640941 by Aleisha Parongao
Angel Rogers you're welcome! And for affordable housing.... there's always anonymous reporting to get the ball rolling.
1 year 5 months ago #640941 by Aleisha Parongao
Robbyn Golden
1 year 5 months ago #640942 by Robbyn Golden
Go with your gut. Never turn your back on it. I never did.
1 year 5 months ago #640942 by Robbyn Golden
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1 year 5 months ago - 1 year 5 months ago #640943 by Stefanie Koslosky
I unfortunately had to do be when I worked on site. It is hard, but you are a human being and if you see something wrong, go with your gut.
1 year 5 months ago - 1 year 5 months ago #640943 by Stefanie Koslosky
Heather Everett King
1 year 5 months ago #640944 by Heather Everett King
In senior living in California we were mandated reporters. And goodness knows we should have been!
1 year 5 months ago #640944 by Heather Everett King
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1 year 5 months ago #640945 by Angel Rogers
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Anonymous
1 year 5 months ago #641018 by Anonymous
It is decided by the state you live in but you also have to be careful about VAWA protections as well. victimrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021...tes-Need-to-Know.pdf
1 year 5 months ago #641018 by Anonymous
Glori Houston
1 year 5 months ago #641019 by Glori Houston
I oversee Affordable Housing and we have this statement in all of our job descriptions.

"As a mandated reporter, follow all procedures outlined in agency policies and procedures to report to the proper agency when there is suspicion and/or confirmation that a child or adult has been a victim of abuse or neglect".

While I understand that we protect the asset, but if abuse is happening it most likely is affecting our assets. We are all responsible to provide a safe place to live to our residents.
1 year 5 months ago #641019 by Glori Houston
Katheryn Freeberg
1 year 5 months ago #641042 by Katheryn Freeberg
I believe we are obligated to report anything that creates a threat, danger, pending security problem, etc. (I believer we all know the score.) However, if the topic extends beyond the realm of management authority I think it should not be reported. They said, they heard, they repeated is a recipe for misinterpreted information.
1 year 5 months ago #641042 by Katheryn Freeberg
Kels
1 year 5 months ago #641043 by Kels
You can only report allegations, the police or social service will perform an investigation and only take action if they find it necessary. Not reporting something because of uncertainty reduces the chances of someone getting the help they need.
1 year 5 months ago #641043 by Kels