Re: What would you do :  Tenant has late fees she refuses to pay (1 month)

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1 year 5 months ago #641082 by Guest Insider
What would you do :
Tenant has late fees she refuses to pay (1 month ). Late fees roll over and now has accumulated more late fees . She now demands office removes late fees.Tenant has been paying her rent on time recently ( she has been late in the past and late fees have been waived ). Judge is VERY pro tenant . Judge has abated cases on tenants word that the ntv was posted incorrectly. We don’t want to file eviction over $130 but she is refusing to pay . Assistant won’t get her bonus if this balance isn’t paid and tenants attitude is soooooo ugly .
1 year 5 months ago #641082 by Guest Insider
Anonymous
1 year 5 months ago - 1 year 5 months ago #641085 by Anonymous
Anonymous member late fees will be waived, next time an eviction will be filed, she’ll be responsible for attorney fees as well.
If you have lawyers, have them draw up a clause to include in your lease (as well as the form for her to sign) to further prevent this problem. Especially if you do want to evict and there’s nothing in the lease stating all payments will be applied to oldest balance.
Also change your online portal payment to only accept full amount online, as well as not allowing payments to be made online after a certain amount of days, the resident would need to provide a cashiers check for the full amount only.
1 year 5 months ago - 1 year 5 months ago #641085 by Anonymous
Allie Gartside
1 year 5 months ago #641083 by Allie Gartside
I’d waive the fees this last time but make the resident sign a form stating this is the last time. Next time it will result in eviction being filed, attorneys fees and she will be liable.
1 year 5 months ago #641083 by Allie Gartside
Connie Wakeman
1 year 5 months ago #641084 by Connie Wakeman
In your lease, do you have a clause that states all payments will be applied to the oldest balance first?
1 year 5 months ago #641084 by Connie Wakeman
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1 year 5 months ago #641086 by Miles Scruggs
Sounds like it might be in the best interest of the assistant to pay the late fee for the tenant. Either that or the bonus is weak. In either case that kinda points out how messed up the compensation structure is….
1 year 5 months ago #641086 by Miles Scruggs
Casey N Aaron Enriquez
1 year 5 months ago #641087 by Casey N Aaron Enriquez
I am wondering why payment was accepted without being made in full? We don’t accept partial payments because of this situation here. Your only choice this time would be to waive the late fee to get it off your delinquency and so that your assistant gets their bonus. However, going forward I would not accept any payments that are not made in full, or if you do it needs to be applied to the oldest balance, but that can create a vicious cycle on payments for the resident.
1 year 5 months ago #641087 by Casey N Aaron Enriquez
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1 year 5 months ago #641088 by Guest Insider
Casey N Aaron Enriquez they pay online . We thought about blocking the account so she could only pay via money order but that’s not going to be able to happen until next rent period
1 year 5 months ago #641088 by Guest Insider
Ana Flavia Pizzolio
1 year 5 months ago #641089 by Ana Flavia Pizzolio
Partial payments should not be accepted. That would stop this issue from ever occurring, because you would be able to file eviction on the resident for non payment of rent.
1 year 5 months ago #641089 by Ana Flavia Pizzolio
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1 year 5 months ago #641090 by Erik McKinster
First thing I would do is ensure that when rents are paid, that all fines, fees & charges over and above rent are paid first, so technically, those late fees have been paid with her next payment, and what is left over is rent.
1 year 5 months ago #641090 by Erik McKinster
Mike Seamus Masterson
1 year 5 months ago #641091 by Mike Seamus Masterson
It sounds like a precedent has been set at this property that late fees will be waived.
I’d have a conversation with the resident that it will be waived a final time (if it won’t impact a bonus).
If they’re irate and you have the ability to offer alternative due dates it could be the solution they’re looking for as well.
1 year 5 months ago #641091 by Mike Seamus Masterson
Deena Smith
1 year 5 months ago #641092 by Deena Smith
Late fees come out 1st, now shes Delinquent in rent.
1 year 5 months ago #641092 by Deena Smith
Sherie Walker
1 year 5 months ago #641093 by Sherie Walker
Change your portal setting to not allow partial payments, set up you settings to apply funds paid to other charges first and rent last, and the emergency order for eviction diversion and case abatement expired 7/1 for Texas so if you happen to be in Texas the abatements for rental assistance should end.
This would leave a pure rent balance on the account that you can send notice and file eviction on. I would not remove the fee just for the sake of getting your assistant a bonus.
1 year 5 months ago #641093 by Sherie Walker
Stacy Howard-Lensinski
1 year 5 months ago #641094 by Stacy Howard-Lensinski
Post what she pays to fees first then she'll have a balance on rent
1 year 5 months ago #641094 by Stacy Howard-Lensinski
Jessica Cottrell
1 year 5 months ago #641095 by Jessica Cottrell
We only allow one waived late fee per 12 month period for residents. You’ll want to ensure you’re being consistent with waiving late fees otherwise that will get you in a sticky situation.
And agree with everyone else. Only accept the full balance owed and ensure your online system is set up that way.
1 year 5 months ago #641095 by Jessica Cottrell
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1 year 5 months ago #641096 by Beth Stolts
If you waive her fees, be prepared to waive for all other residents.
What does your lease say about applying monies to unpaid past balances? If you can do it, apply her money to the past due late fees and the remainder to the rent. You then file on the unpaid rent.
1 year 5 months ago #641096 by Beth Stolts
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1 year 5 months ago #641097 by Marc Alaia
Personally, it sounds like the late fees should be waived and to me, this isn't an issue that is the responsibility of the assistant. If the assistant is the one asking this question I would immediately go look for another job. It's not the assistant's call on this, so they shouldn't be punished if this isn't able to be collected. If this were me, I would waive the late fee and at the next opportunity, such as renewal, I would essentially include this amount in the rental increase, such as an additional $10 a month on top of what I would have increased their rent to, or wave the late fee and notice them of non-renewal whenever that comes. Moving sucks and if they're willing to have to move over $130, then that's the price they have to pay.
1 year 5 months ago #641097 by Marc Alaia
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1 year 5 months ago #641098 by Chris Finetto
Seriously! Just work it out! Judges don likely late fees, just another junk fee. You can always collect fees is to deduct from deposit at the end of the lease. Keeps the customer relationship civil, till they’re not a customer anymore.
Adjust the bonus, don’t screw the employee.
1 year 5 months ago #641098 by Chris Finetto
Annie Brown
1 year 5 months ago #641099 by Annie Brown
If she is a chronic late payer, and expects to have the fees waived, the next time the resident is up for renewal, just send a non renewal to her.
1 year 5 months ago #641099 by Annie Brown
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1 year 5 months ago #641100 by Dave Holland
In our lease it's worded that that the fees are considered "rent". So any payments are credited to the oldest part of the balance first. That would cause partially unpaid rent for the current month which would allow for eviction filing.
1 year 5 months ago #641100 by Dave Holland
Anonymous
1 year 4 months ago #641134 by Anonymous
I would’ve returned her payment to her citing that the full balance wasn’t paid.
1 year 4 months ago #641134 by Anonymous
Marisa
1 year 4 months ago #641135 by Marisa
All payments should be applied to the oldest balances, which means if she still owes $130, she owes $130 in rent. I personally would keep the late fee. It sounds like she's had not just one, but multiple late payments in the past which have been waived. If you bring that information to court (should you elect to file), I feel like the judge will be more inclined to make her pay/move out.
1 year 4 months ago #641135 by Marisa
Anonymous
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Arrow Properties, Inc
1 year 4 months ago #641137 by Arrow Properties, Inc
We have a few tenants that have a very belligerent attitude about late fees. In some cases my philosophy has been to waive them, but then take that into account when setting their next rent increase.
1 year 4 months ago #641137 by Arrow Properties, Inc
g j goudreau
1 year 4 months ago #641142 by g j goudreau
I think it partially rests on at least 2 things 1) do you have a written policy, and 2) are you consistent in following it, with only exceptions being for bonafide extenuating circumstances.

This doesn’t exclude other factors

Following those criteria, then the question is do you have higher vacancies? If so, you are going to weigh her refusal to pay versus her demeanor as a tenant. BUT REMEMBER if she gets away with it, she’ll tell that to other tenants and they will spread the word, and that’s could be a big problem in the near future with other tenants testing it

It has been our experience that it our lease is a clear one, and we have written legal policies that we follow consistently, our chances in even a liber court are much better.

Good luck. This isn’t an easy situation because it can set an undesirable precedent with other tenants
1 year 4 months ago #641142 by g j goudreau
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1 year 4 months ago #641158 by Teresa Bruno
I agree, we have the same policy and our settings reflect that. We don't allow partial payments therefore they pay the entire amount. I wish all states and judges would abide by the leases instead of how they felt.
1 year 4 months ago #641158 by Teresa Bruno