Resident moves into a mold free unit. After living there for 7 months they report mold that…

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1 year 7 months ago #639444 by Guest Insider
Resident moves into a mold free unit. After living there for 7 months they report mold that, when observed, is completely consistent with not doing a good job ventilating (e.g. exhaust fan) or cleaning, and is easily cleaned with household cleaners.
They begin to howl about their rights and mold remediation.
How do you proceed?
1 year 7 months ago #639444 by Guest Insider
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1 year 7 months ago #639446 by Jonathan Cheville
I've seen managers try to "hold a resident responsible" for mold growth many times. 99% of the time the resident will move out or not push the issue any further. But one time the manager tried to play hardball with the wrong resident and got her ass handed to her by the company after the resident got a cheap moisture meter from lowes and took readings showing elevated levels in the sheetrock and baseboards- definitely not surface mold. She also sent a picture of her newborns moldy crib to the regional and owner. I was one of the contractors that did the repairs. That company is so lucky their manager didn't get them into some serious legal trouble. Don't mess around and underestimate mold problems in apartments, there's a variety of causes and the cost of being wrong can be staggering. Regardless of the cause, the hallmark of good management always resolving any health or safety concerns first, then assessing which party is responsible
1 year 7 months ago #639446 by Jonathan Cheville
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1 year 7 months ago #639447 by Guest Insider
Jonathan Cheville well said. The cost of being wrong is very high, both from a health and safety perspective as well as a financial one.
1 year 7 months ago #639447 by Guest Insider
Meghan Foster
1 year 7 months ago #639448 by Meghan Foster
Jonathan Cheville this is what I was going to say as well.You have to be absolutely certain that it is surface growth only, and wasn’t made worse by high moisture content hidden somewhere else.I’ve seen apartments that look IDENTICAL in damage, one with exterior issues one with interior humidity issues only.In both situations the resident was not following the lease and operating the HVAC properly however, but the one with the moisture issue wasn’t nearly as negligent with their usage but still ended up with the same damage.
1 year 7 months ago #639448 by Meghan Foster
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1 year 7 months ago #639449 by Jonathan Cheville
Meghan Foster It's definitely one of the trickiest issues not only to diagnose, but to handle in general. A small part of me misses the challenge, but only a very small part lol
1 year 7 months ago #639449 by Jonathan Cheville
Meghan Foster
1 year 7 months ago #639450 by Meghan Foster
Jonathan Cheville I spent a little time doing marketing and operations for an indoor air quality company and learned all I will ever need to know about mold helping write those remediation protocols
1 year 7 months ago #639450 by Meghan Foster
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1 year 7 months ago #639451 by Donna Blackman
I would call in a Mold Remediation company and have them do an inspection. They can tell the resident and you what they see and if it is "surface" mold how to take care of it. But you have to protect yourself and the property, people are sue crazy and I am sure they can find a doctor to confirm their "mold" related illness
1 year 7 months ago #639451 by Donna Blackman
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1 year 7 months ago #639452 by Guest Insider
Donna Blackman fair. Will the remediation company be able to determine whether this is due to resident, or should we proceed with the expectation that financial burden will be ours?
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1 year 7 months ago #639453 by Donna Blackman
If it's surface mold, a wipe down with bleach will take care of it. I would put them on notice that our is their responsibility going forward to keep it clean and moisture free by using exhaust fans, etc. Just having them know it is not "black" mold should help keep them quiet and you have done your due diligence, taken their concern seriously and investigated their concern.
1 year 7 months ago #639453 by Donna Blackman
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1 year 7 months ago #639454 by Guest Insider
Donna Blackman thanks for the feedback. We are definitely taking it seriously. It's clear that the resident is not acting in good faith, so we are slightly hesitant to overextended ourselves, but we are proceeding as though it's serious.With the understanding that you're not a mold professional or legal professional: does the fact that it was easy to wipe off imply it is very unlikely to be black mold, and that the unit is not unsuitable?
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1 year 7 months ago #639455 by Donna Blackman
It could be like the "mold" around your bathtub caulk, it needs to be cleaned, same with those lovely orange, brown spots that appear on the ceiling over your shower. Call a professional to make sure what you are dealing with and then you can create a plan from there!
1 year 7 months ago #639455 by Donna Blackman
Diana Russell
1 year 7 months ago #639456 by Diana Russell
You can also let them know that if the unit has no readings of abnormal quantities of mold spores and/or deemed resident cause/damage then the resident will be financially responsible for all testings and services.
1 year 7 months ago #639456 by Diana Russell
Jerry Davis
1 year 7 months ago #639457 by Jerry Davis
Just an FYI, in most of the apartment complexes pre-2000 the exhaust fans were installed at 40 - 60 cfm, also all replacement motors are 40 cfm, new rule of thumb since 2016 is to have your maintenance staff when ordering and replacing an exhaust fan, use a minimum of 80 cfm exhaust fan or higher, this will further reduce any surface mold/mildew and reduces liability. It is a good practice upon move-in to do an info sheet on certain things one of them being the bathroom exhaust fans and why there needed, failure to maintain / clean the fan and bathroom can lead to additional charges
1 year 7 months ago #639457 by Jerry Davis
Susan Davis Vloedman
1 year 7 months ago #639458 by Susan Davis Vloedman
Donna Blackman absolutely. And surely did a move in inventory sheet
1 year 7 months ago #639458 by Susan Davis Vloedman
Tracy Marie
1 year 7 months ago #639459 by Tracy Marie
Donna Blackman I agree with this. Protect company first, deal with tenant and lease second.
1 year 7 months ago #639459 by Tracy Marie
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1 year 7 months ago #639460 by Shelly Griggs
I would get with your RM. We don’t do anything unless it was caused by our building (pipe breaks, etc). If they claim mold, they can get it tested but we aren’t paying for it. I would tell them it’s mildew and they need to clean it and use their vents. The mold test also means nothing unless they do an air test. Mold is everywhere but the levels in the air is what cause issues - not on surfaces. Be careful with remediation companies. They make their money on the remediation, so if they find “mold” (and they will - it’s everywhere) they will recommend a remediation that will cost you - that’s their job. You can find testing companies that don’t do remediation - that is your best bet if you go the testing route. Again, they must also test the air (they compare outside air to inside air to determine mold levels). Any good company knows to do this. Have fun
1 year 7 months ago #639460 by Shelly Griggs
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1 year 7 months ago #639461 by Donna Blackman
Shelly Griggs I am an RM which is probably why I suggested it! It is what I would do!
1 year 7 months ago #639461 by Donna Blackman
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1 year 7 months ago #639462 by Shelly Griggs
Donna Blackman I am too (25 years) but I do things differently, which is okay. I was raised in construction and told a long time ago to never have a remediation company do the testing.
1 year 7 months ago #639462 by Shelly Griggs
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1 year 7 months ago #639463 by Donna Blackman
Shelly Griggs if you have a good relationship with one it works. We have one who did our rehab so we use them when needed for resident concerns with no issues.
1 year 7 months ago #639463 by Donna Blackman
Bob Miller
1 year 7 months ago #639464 by Bob Miller
Donna Blackman good relationships don’t hold water in court against a resident with good attorneys with rebuttal mold remediation companies. Paper trail from start of lease and all actions win cases.
1 year 7 months ago #639464 by Bob Miller
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1 year 7 months ago #639465 by Donna Blackman
Bob Miller of course it does. I never said you deceive or take the easy way out. That's why you start with a reputable company and go from there. You have to make sure you have done all that you can to ensure you and your residents are safe. And you will have the reports to back it up of it every goes to court.
1 year 7 months ago #639465 by Donna Blackman
Alecia Stein Fuller
1 year 7 months ago #639466 by Alecia Stein Fuller
Shelly Griggs this is the exact same way we handle this situation
1 year 7 months ago #639466 by Alecia Stein Fuller
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1 year 7 months ago #639467 by Amber Smalls
it’s more common to use a separate air quality testing pre- & post-remediation. Using the remediation company test will almost always end in a costly remediation.
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1 year 7 months ago #639468 by Shelly Griggs
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1 year 7 months ago #639469 by Samatha Figarella
We have a "mold information and prevention " addendum that the first line states "preventing mold starts with you!" If you have this refer to it. It state what the resident is responsible for and what the landlord is. This is a standard addendum in Texas.
1 year 7 months ago #639469 by Samatha Figarella
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1 year 7 months ago #639470 by Jessica DeLano
Samatha Figarella would you mind sharing this with me?
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1 year 7 months ago #639471 by lynn walker
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1 year 7 months ago #639472 by Josh McKibben
Lynn Walker a Google search pulled it up. I’m in TX too and this is a standard form. carbajalrealty.com/.../2015/06/mold-addendum.pdf
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1 year 7 months ago #639475 by lynn walker
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Judy Drickey-Prohow
1 year 7 months ago #639476 by Judy Drickey-Prohow
If it is visible and they didn’t note it on the move-in inspection and didn’t notify you as soon as it first appeared, then they are presumed responsible for it.
1 year 7 months ago #639476 by Judy Drickey-Prohow
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1 year 7 months ago #639477 by Shelly Griggs
Judy Drickey-Prohow coming from someone who knows. Hope you are doing well.
1 year 7 months ago #639477 by Shelly Griggs
Judy Drickey-Prohow
1 year 7 months ago #639478 by Judy Drickey-Prohow
Shelly Griggs You also. Miss talking to you
1 year 7 months ago #639478 by Judy Drickey-Prohow
Megan Easley-Fraction
1 year 7 months ago #639479 by Megan Easley-Fraction
Inspect, remove surface mold, moisture meter reading to ensure no leak is present, check ventilation/fans - tie in bathroom light to fan. Air quality test but I do this through my attorney.
1 year 7 months ago #639479 by Megan Easley-Fraction
Sherrie Kasprowicz
1 year 7 months ago #639480 by Sherrie Kasprowicz
Add a mold addendum to your leases.
1 year 7 months ago #639480 by Sherrie Kasprowicz
Kandice Jarosiewicz
1 year 7 months ago #639481 by Kandice Jarosiewicz
There is a difference between MOLD and MILDEW
1 year 7 months ago #639481 by Kandice Jarosiewicz
Hasmukh Shah
1 year 7 months ago #639482 by Hasmukh Shah
All you have to say is mold sensitivity and we let u out of your lease agreement and give all your deposit back without any deductions. Just go. Than we investigate systems and cause of the mold, moisture levels, hvac systems, water leaks etc. If all okRelease apt. So often some of our earthy residents dont use the ac. Humidity for us in August can be up to 80%.Seems like we release a resident every couple of years.
1 year 7 months ago #639482 by Hasmukh Shah
Rachel Lynette Payton
1 year 7 months ago #639483 by Rachel Lynette Payton
I would put a humidity reader in their apartment and go in at different times to get readings. We did this once for a tenant complaining of mildew/mold. They never had a reading below 70 and once had a reading at like 97!!!! It was ridiculous. They never opened windows.
1 year 7 months ago #639483 by Rachel Lynette Payton
Jannell Zarba
1 year 7 months ago #639484 by Jannell Zarba
Rachel Lynette Payton just to add on this idea, there are some readers that are Bluetooth or wifi enabled, so you could set it up for a period of time. I used some that were about 1.5" in diameter.
1 year 7 months ago #639484 by Jannell Zarba
Debra Cole-O'connor
1 year 7 months ago #639485 by Debra Cole-O'connor
I would call a company and have the air tested
1 year 7 months ago #639485 by Debra Cole-O'connor
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1 year 7 months ago #639486 by Jonathan Cheville
Do you have any documentation to support your claim that it's caused by the resident and not a problem with the apartment?
1 year 7 months ago #639486 by Jonathan Cheville
Nancy Guthrie
1 year 7 months ago #639487 by Nancy Guthrie
If it’s bathroom we have exhaust fans that run all the time . Not loud and saves many from mold
1 year 7 months ago #639487 by Nancy Guthrie
Eva Miller
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Magnolia Ridge Gaffney
1 year 7 months ago #639489 by Magnolia Ridge Gaffney
i explain how to clean and kill any type of bacteria that is assumed mold. I also explain that the assumed mold was not present at the time of move in and true mold does not just appear that quickly. I try to help understand the differences in mildew and mold and different care and still test for the potential to have all bases covered.
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